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Here's the place to ask the esteemed writers of the TF Movie questions.
During the webcast, they mentioned joining movie-related discussions. So this is an open invitation for members to direct questions at them and (hopefully) have them answered. I'll start: Hi gents. I'm sure you've seen some of the negativity surrounding Starscream's leaked design. -Considering what was stated in the webcast regarding staying true to the characters' essence, what do you think of the Starscream pic? Is this the Starscream you envisioned while writing his scenes?
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Interesting. I like this idea a lot, as long as it can stay in line. To add to the previous poster, Starscream always had a smirk of fools' ambition on his face. It would be nice to see it included- even for a brief, subconscious moment during a fight scene.
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jazz=stylish=traxx?
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A follow up to the first question:
Since we all know that the toy is into the prototype phase, it's well under way to repoduction for both toy and CGI. However, considering the amount of fan backlash (and it seems pretty unified now), how possible do you think (since you're obviously not on the design team) it would be to see the head redone in a more "classic" style at this stage of movie production?
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I have three questions-
1. How's it going lads? 2. I'm sure your survey of existing canon included a peak at the G1 UK Marvel Transformers comic. In the light of its consistent excellence, did you find Simon Furman's consultancy input valuable? 3. Can we expect a number of 'nudge, nudge, wink wink' fan-friendly 'I'm the Juggernaut, b!tch' style moments?
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Since all our favorites cannot be in this movie,will we at least hear some of them referred to by either Prime or Megs.?
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and I came out of recharge for this?! Last edited by Elita-three : August 22nd, 2006 at 11:21 AM. Reason: bad grammar |
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Now that your changing what the Transformers are all about, can you change the name of the movie? Or maybe can you guys pick up a comic or watch a little G1 and realize that you suck?
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Yeah, but not necessarily by Prime or Megs.
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All that's left is to put a flame paintjob on the ship and crew it with insects.
What? I'm allowed to be a git...
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Just started writing it. I think it's going really well, but I don't wanna jinx it!
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In terms of how we feel about the new designs, we're waiting to see the final finals before we judge them. |
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Thanks, Roberto. It was very gracious (and brave) of you to post replies. Hopefully we'll see alot more of youse in months to come.
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Also, when you talk about non-cheating transformations, have you taken into consideration the Masterpiece figures? They achieve realistic alt-modes and robot modes and still look like the characters we know and love. Without cheating. Same with the Alternators toys. Also, from what I've heard, you guys have pretty much thrown out most of the John Rogers script, is that true? Just wanna know if we can pretty much ignore that script thats floating around or if its a half decent idea of what the film will be like. |
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Pity Masterpice PRIME can't even hold his gun convincingly or touch his arms togther otherwise there may have been a shred of truth in that statement. |
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I'm curious now, what was typed by Oerwinde that could have been a lie?
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Okay.
So 24 hours and hundreds of forum pages spread across dozens of Transformers websites later and I see a Transformers fanbase that is literally being torn in two. There is surprisingly almost no middle ground on this issue, for most it's either love it or hate it. It's an abomination or the greatest Transformer design ever. I've had my reaction, and I've let my sarcasm fly. I've also had a day to think about this, look at the pictures again and try to think about this from a calm, logical point of view. The question that I keep asking myself is just how much "re-imagining" can you do before your left with something that in no way has anything to do with what you started? Take Spider-Man for instance. You have an ICONIC look, a VISUALIZATION that has been established over the course of years and different artists that is recognized the world over and by generations of fans. When they made the transition from comic to movie, how much did they change that? People who knew Spider Man instantly knew who it was. If you took away the Spider-man costume and changed his look completely, changed his origin, made him part-spider, gave him a new supporting cast and called him Spider-Man, would he still be Spider Man? Transformers is a trickey movie because granted, vehicles that were the basis for their forms in 1984, 1992, 1999 are different now or don't exist. But you can still have the essence the same. Why the flames on Prime? Why not just have him be a red peterbuilt semi, and use greyish blues on the backside for the legs? You would still have the essence of the charachters look, and yet still have the freedom to be creative with the robot design, and make it look realistic like a robot in disguise. As for Megatron, I get where they are going, they want him to be scary, and evil. I think what they are forgetting is that ANY 50 foot tall robot that can destroy a city block with one laser blast will scare people. Does this have to be a "G1" movie? no, but all you have to do is look to other Transformers series to see that there have always been a resemblance to the original series. After all ,that's what started this whole "franchise" in the first place! (I'm excluding BW & BM because those are shows that took place on an Earth or Cybertron that was not in our time.) The BOTTOM line, is that 40-50 year old guys in suits who work for Dreamworks now OWN Transformers on FILM. That means THEY ALONE now are the guiding force behind how this movie will look. Me personally, I wish they never would have made this, because this is how I knew it would end up, a pissed off raging fandom, spewing expletives at each other. Do I want this movie to fail? NO! But Dreamworks/Hasbro has not issued any cease & dissist orders over the pictures, and do you really think they would spend all this money & build 50 foot tall mock ups and PROPS showing exactly the designs we are looking at in disgust now if they weren't 90% close to what it's going to look like in the movie? Mark my words people, next July 4, this movie will bomb and go the way of other franchise makers like Batman & Robin, Godzilla, Masters of the Universe, and Catwoman. Why? because quite simply, they have re-imagined something TOO FAR. when non-fans with kids who hear this is a TRANSFORMERS movie, take their family or friends to see this movie, expecting to see something SOMEWHAT RESEMBLING the Transformers they grew up with, they will walk out of the theatre thinking wtf?@#.... And I just can not support it. Personal choice, flame me if you want, but I see where this is going, and it's not more than meets the eye...It's what I've seen coming all along. End Rant-
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bro, where did u see this Starscream`s pic??? By the way, talking 'bout the design of the transformers for this movie, there's a video sequence in the net which has apparently been taken from the editing of the film....in that sequence you can see Jazz as a nissan sentra (I`m not sure) an as a robot....looks pretty amazing...maybe many of the members here have already seen this sequence...let me know |
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http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=108437 That Nissan Sentra video in question is a fake. Welcome to the insanity. Feel free to hop around the message board. You have alot to catch up on. Didn't take long for us to come full circle, eh? |
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Hey Bob, is the transformation sequence in 3d we saw almost a month ago of prime in red (even though I understand that the color scheme is not red) Is this how prime is going to transform is that publisized as authentic yet? How long do we have to wait for a trailer to come out that is more up to date? Is Hasbro doing all the transformers in the movie for toys? How about some human characters?
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Probably have to wait until Christmas at least. Hasbro is doing all the toys, but I don't know about the human characters. I'll find out. |
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Damn.... it is really heating up in here....
Hey Roberto ![]() seems to be alot of discussion about the leaked images.... now i have no idea how old they are and even if they were scrapped from the moment bay saw them.... but my question is, what was your inital reaction to the designs.... was it what you envisioned?? were you surprised?? disgusted?? impressed?? and who personally would you like to hear doing some of the voice acting for the new transformers in this movie?? can you throw some names around?? and heard this the other day.... was wondering if you can comment on it.... is megatron going to be a brand new american jet that has never been seen before?? think it is called a 'razor' |
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Clearly these two are not actors and they are full of sh!t, it is so eveident. The only thing that they are a fan of is their bank accounts. So far I am highly disappointed with the images I have seen. The whole BS about the car they chose for Bumblebee even smells like sh!t. We have all seen the fantastic VW bug transformer floating around the internet for several years...we know it can be done and be done well. I hate liars, especially when they try to lie to people who know more than them.
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BTW I dont believe that story about VW...its not about signing on, if you know anything about how movies work...it comes down to money (what doesnt). GM is paying big bucks to have their vehicles featured in this movie, VW probably did not want to bid as high. Its the new thing now, show your new and concept vehicles in a hot movie to start a buzz with the general public. Trust me if Toyota came along and outbid GM and Ford, you would have seen a bunch of Lexus and Rav-4s on screen....these two should tell it liek it is dont blow smoke up our asses.....its highly insulting. Whoever is responsible for the horrible figures thus far, should know that they are ruining a good thing (read money maker for you bean counters). |
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VW got sued awhile back for their role in the german war machine back in WWII, ever since than, they have not wanted any of their products associated with anythign "War-like", and that includes Transformers.
This is a fact. Im sure there was other factors, but this IS a prime factor.
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Your whole idea of Transformer = Transforming Aliens is just wrong. I never really thought about this till I saw those movie designs. I just thought "Oh Transforming robot, must be a Transformer." like you are now. But now here's the problem, if I thought that way till I saw the movie designs and now think the way the other fans do why can't you?
It's not enough to simply have the ability to Transform like you say. They need to look at least 10% recognizable and actully look like they can transform. If I have to watch them Transform to belive they can they're not transformers. The exsisting transformers I don't even have to see them transforming to know they can do it. I can look at them and see how the transformation works in my mind. The movie designs I look at and my head exsplodes. Optimus Prime is the best one so far. His head looks like Optimus and you can see all his truck cab parts so it's easy to tell how he transforms. He could be better like not looking so much like C-3P0 but he's the best one for the movie. Bumblebee just sucks all around. No face and a body that looks like he'll kill everyone in a 10 mile radious if he Transforms.
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They could have used a number of less intimidating cars, a Mini, Honda, Neon..any small compact vehicle that would capture what Bumblebee is supposed to be...they could have even used one of GMs junk econo cars. But not a prototype 500HP super agressive looking muscle car....thats like nailing a tack with a pile driver! Its all about the benjamins baby and GM has plenty for advertising; and they need hype to bail themselves out of what looks to be a potential bankruptcy, TF is just the "vehicle" to do it. Here is the process (to the best of my outsider knowledge): APs and Producers contact potential "sponsors" and get bids going. GM bids highest, so all (or most) cars in the movie are GM vehicles (best kind of advertising). Press kits go out to the media, they happen to include the fact that the "hottest, newest" Chevys will be in the movie, so now you have Chevy fans, car fans, and Camaro fans all interested in a movie that they otherwise would not be(were talking guys in their 60s here). So one hand washes the other; the movie and GM gets cross publicity (most of the car sites I've been to are talking about this movie) and most movie sites have either shown or mentioned the fact that Bumblebee is the new Camaro....it HAS NOTHING to do with making the story more believable or that VW didnt "sign up". PUUUUHLEASE. Last edited by Maxatron : September 8th, 2006 at 08:57 PM. |
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There are still 'bugs' in this movie. It's just that they're called 'Decepticons' now...
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I'm going to assume this question didn't get answered because I was babbleing too much. (Sorry bout that)
I'll keep it short this time. Is there going to be an ongoing plot in a series that picks up from the end of this movie and leads into the sequill?
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i hope the movie will be more for adults then for the kids. this way it will be more dark and extrem action. look what happing when they did the batman and superman movies. it was a joke. but when batman begins and superman returns came out it did very well and the action and story was much better than the bast movies. i hope it will go this way.
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Bob,
Just one question this time-since the transformation sequences seem to be pretty much under wraps until July 4th will that preclude advance screenings to the critics?
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![]() Either way, being forced offline from hardware failure this week has done little to give me pause in the direction this movie is heading from what we know so far.... A question that anyone or Orci can answer, when are we going to see some of the redesigns for Starscream and Megatron? We keep hearing theyre being redone yet we have seen nothing. And Im not going to buy a ticket to find out either.... |
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Roberto,
I have a few questions if you don't mind. 1.) You mentioned before that they will use human weapons in their vehicle modes and pulse blasts in robot form. But will the Transformers have their trademark abilities? You know, Megatron's fusion cannon, Starscream's null ray, Ironhide's liquid nitrogen, Scorponok's electro sting, etc. 2.) The idea of robots in disguise who can strike at anytime, anywhere is awesome. Will this be a metaphor for the war on terrorism in our post-911 world? And will we be seeing collateral damage from the Autobot/Decepticon battles resulting in human casualties? 3.) How realistic will the human's reaction be to the Transformers. It always bothered me in the old cartoon that everyone just automatically seemed to accept the Autobots as the good guys and that was it. In the comic books, the governments reaction was more like, "look at the destruction they cause, they're ALL a threat." ALso they government wanted to keep it secret as much as possible to not have people panic because two alien races were at war and could be disguised as cars, planes, etc. Thanks for your time. |
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2.) Interesting you're the first to ask about 9-11. We certainly didn't set out to make a 9-11 parable, however, it can't be ignored either unless you really are making a cartoon. Suffice it to say that we were aware of the subliminal connection, and it did inform some of the scenes. 3.) I think humans reacting with shock to the reality of TF's is all part of the fun. |
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I believe he was being sarcastic and certainly did mean that there will be plenty of high-brow critic types that will give the movie 1 out of 5 stars simply because it is based on an 80's cartoon regardless of the actual quality of the movie.
Thank god critics usually don't know jack.
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Anti-gravity - not yet known why this happened, but a few scientists were working on an experiment on the interation of different types of energy fields, and the device started floating (mind you it weighed like 50+ lbs.). I would go into more detail, but I'd end up writing a pretty long post, so if you don't believe me , I will, but I'd rather not. Also, there are already decent holograms out there by using some sort of particals (ie smoke, dust, etc.) and two projectors set up perpendicular to each other. So holograms are in fact plausable. Mass shifting, however, is physically impossible. You cannot create or destroy matter, therefore turning a 40' robot into a 1' gun is not physically possible.
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A quick thanks to Mod Bob for cleaning up the trash.
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Ditto.
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The only way to expand and contract matter is by either getting rid of unused space (which, for example, would only make a 40' Megatron a 10' 10' cube at the very smallest), or shrinking the actual atoms (which is impossible).
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Welcome
![]() I have a couple things I'd like to remind people about. This is meant to be a question and answer thread. I know answers will spark discussion, and rightly so, but it would be great if people would start a new thread and perhaps link to it instead of taking up pages here if things are really heating up. Also, please show respect to Mr. Orci. He's taking a lot of time to listen to the members and answer what he can. I understand there might be answers that will make people unhappy or have more questions, but express frustration in an acceptable manner. We don't allow members to attack each other or be abusive, and Mr. Orci is a member. He is entitled to the same courtesies as everyone else. Thank you! Last edited by moderator_bob : September 22nd, 2006 at 09:00 AM. |
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I got a question (although i havent gotn to read whole thing of this Forum) but: Any word on rather or not the original voice actor of megatron is gonna be on like prime? Also has the original voice actor for starsream tried to make the role? Having all 3 of them together would make the movie more like the original.
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