Transformers 2 Box Office

[michaelbay.com]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

All movies are long term investments.

NO they aren't. You should maybe do research before you write. An artsy indie movie is considered a long term investment because it won't recover its budget years after it comes out (through DVDs, downloads, and cable/tv).

TF2 has made back it's entire budge and promotion budget in a little more than a week. Everything else is just good business.

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

After a while,people get sick of bad movies and stay at home.

Yeah, that would explain Bay's disastrous box office career.

[Firefrost]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

Like you said "I would probably watch it either way because it's TF related" .And this is the reason that movie is making a lot of money,because of the name of the franchise and not because the movie is good.People want to see big bots ,and they see big bots and nothing more.

As for giving a break to Bay ,i dont think he deserve it with all the money he's doing while alienating the fans.Many directors were able to please the fans,the critics and the moviegoers with some franchises like Batman,Star Trek,Hulk and Spiderman.Something that Bay was not able to do.Like that guy from michaelbay.com says ,they simply dont care ,and that's why the movie is so hated.

Being a general fan and being a member of these sites have shown me that TF are pretty damn difficult to please. All those movies have a different caliber of fans and many versions of their story. Star Trek fans are rough too and that's why they took the direction they did with the past film. The first Hulk was terrible and took a massive critical hit as well. They had to redo it to get it right but they had something really bad to use to make it better. Same with the last few Batmans. They took a different direction all together and it worked. Spiderman indeed was brilliant. Making a blockbuster live action movie based on toys and cartoons was an incredible feat. I'm still not sure what the die hard fans wanted to see. I think he did it mad justice. I hear a lot of complaining about his direction, the story and the designs. I honestly think most of the top directors would have hired the same writers and designers for this franchise. So why get on his case? The end result would have been pretty much the same without all the cool action sequences, camera angles and explosions. I'm sure that would be a treat. A real honest story about giant alien robots. Kind of like a live action "The Iron Giant"

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

ANd a movie being hated by 2 fanboys and some critics doesn't equal a movie "so hated."

You are right ,we are only 2 people lol

[michaelbay.com]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

You are right ,we are only 2 people lol

Well, not enough to have an adverse effect on the movie.

Maybe 5.

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

Well, not enough to have an adverse effect on the movie.

Maybe 5.

That is the reason why i can only laugh at you guys.You cant give a serious guess, so you just throw the most stupid thing you can find.

Have a nice evening.

[Optimist Rhyme]

Personally, I liked the film. It is a generally enjoyable movie. However, I understand why the haters hate it. If I wanted to nitpick, I could probably write three pages for things that could/ should have been better...but that's what critics do. They criticize. They nitpick. I'm not a critic, I'm a moviegoer and to me the overall experience was great. It was good enough for me to see it 3 times (which is a record for me). For others, the experience wasn't so good.

So why don't we stop bickering and accept the fact that enough people (regardless of demographic or level of transformers fandom) liked the movie enough for it to make big bucks. Less also stop bickering over the fact that there are a lot of people out there who think this movie is 2 1/2 hours of $h!t on screen.

As strongly as you all feel, you must realize that your NOT going to change the other person's opinion.

[michaelbay.com]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

That is the reason why i can only laugh at you guys.

For being a pretty happy guy, you do sure spend a lot of time sounding grumpy and mad on something that doesn't have any bearing on you.

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

You cant give a serious guess, so you just throw the most stupid thing you can find.
.

As opposed to you saying that this movie was universally hated and bad word of mouth tanked it.

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

For being a pretty happy guy, you do sure spend a lot of time sounding grumpy and mad on something that doesn't have any bearing on you.




As opposed to you saying that this movie was universally hated and bad word of mouth tanked it.

The big difference is that i'm not paid to say it.

[michaelbay.com]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

The big difference is that i'm not paid to say it.

As opposed to having a hopeless agenda which no one cares about?

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

As opposed to having a hopeless agenda which no one cares about?

You are paid to tell your BS here.I'm not.

[michaelbay.com]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

You are paid to tell your BS here.I'm not.

Actually, I'm not paid to market the movie nor the director.

Paramount promotes its on movie and Bay has his own publicist.

I get paid to maintain and design his site.

What I do here, with you, is for fun.

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

Actually, I'm not paid to market the movie nor the director.

Paramount promotes its on movie and Bay has his own publicist.

I get paid to maintain and design his site.

What I do here, with you, is for fun.

Yes,i always bring my work at home.And do it for free.Find someone else to argue with you.

[Firefrost]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

Actually, I'm not paid to market the movie nor the director.

Paramount promotes its on movie and Bay has his own publicist.

I get paid to maintain and design his site.

What I do here, with you, is for fun.

That's f**king funny

[michaelbay.com]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

Yes,i always bring my work at home.And do it for free.Find someone else to argue with you.

Why should I? You reel in so perfectly!!

[joshwilson3]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

How much more than a movie reach $400 million world wide in a week or so? I guess if critics would've liked it, this movie would've made $1 billion in it's first week?

If you had directed The Dark Knight, would you have put nuts on the Batmobile?

[Firefrost]

Originally Posted by joshwilson3

If you had directed The Dark Knight, would you have put nuts on the Batmobile?

The Tumbler does NOT need nuts

[michaelbay.com]

Originally Posted by joshwilson3

If you had directed The Dark Knight, would you have put nuts on the Batmobile?

It already has nuts.

Had I directed the Dark Knight the action scenes would've been top notch and not mediocre. Oh, and the stupid "cell phone sonar" would've not been in the movie.

[Firefrost]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

It already has nuts.

Had I directed the Dark Knight the action scenes would've been top notch and not mediocre. Oh, and the stupid "cell phone sonar" would've not been in the movie.

Damn.......

[joshwilson3]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

It already has nuts.

Had I directed the Dark Knight the action scenes would've been top notch and not mediocre. Oh, and the stupid "cell phone sonar" would've not been in the movie.

Right. You've gotta have room for fart jokes and dogs humping. Haha.

[G1Sideswipe]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

Well,he implied it, I called him on it. At least you have some balls to be condescending and tell the teens that like the movie that they're dumb.

You can't even keep track of who says what on these boards. In your simple mind a ranter is a ranter, money is money, and critics are critics. No wonder such a simplistic mind acts as the herald of Bay. Oooops, what am I implying there?

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

Transformers 2 melts & shoots down the competition.

So where are those that said that Ice Age and Johnny Depp were going to pulverize TF2?

Link #1

'Transformers' pulling ahead of 'Ice Age,' 'Public Enemies' at box office

So much for the mythical "bad word of mouth."

Actually, it came over as a tie.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

The real test of strength will be next weekend.

[Firefalcon]

Originally Posted by G1Sideswipe

money is money,

So...wut else could money be?

[Retro Man]

Originally Posted by Optimist Rhyme

Personally, I liked the film. It is a generally enjoyable movie. However, I understand why the haters hate it. If I wanted to nitpick, I could probably write three pages for things that could/ should have been better...but that's what critics do. They criticize. They nitpick. I'm not a critic, I'm a moviegoer and to me the overall experience was great. It was good enough for me to see it 3 times (which is a record for me). For others, the experience wasn't so good.

So why don't we stop bickering and accept the fact that enough people (regardless of demographic or level of transformers fandom) liked the movie enough for it to make big bucks. Less also stop bickering over the fact that there are a lot of people out there who think this movie is 2 1/2 hours of $h!t on screen.

As strongly as you all feel, you must realize that your NOT going to change the other person's opinion.

I love how your post was ignored.

I could practically say the exact same things you did. I could nitpick this movie into oblivion. I could point out every inconsistency there is. I could tell you I can't stand Megan Fox's face, mouth, expressions. I could tell you I'd rather see more personality come from Sideswipe, Arcee, and Jolt instead of the Twins. I recognize wholly how imperfect and fault heavy the film is. But none of that changes the fact that it is the most entertaining thing I've seen all year and perhaps the most fun I've ever had in a theater.

I've stated a couple of times why I joined these boards and why I debate points/make posts. And the most important reason is NOT to convince anyone else. In fact, I know that won't happen and I don't expect it to. I have a different agenda...(rubs hands maniacally )

[Firefalcon]

Originally Posted by Wishful Thinking

Actually, it came over as a tie.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

The real test of strength will be next weekend.

I just clicked this link, and ROTF actually edged out over Ice Age.

[HypnoToad]

Originally Posted by joshwilson3

Right. You've gotta have room for fart jokes and dogs humping. Haha.

Don't forget the boobies! Gots ta have TONS of boobies in slow motion.

Oh wait. Did we forget to throw in the stupid pot reference too?
We didn't?
Awesome.

[Retro Man]

Originally Posted by Firefalcon

I just clicked this link, and ROTF actually edged out over Ice Age.

Pretty amazing considering it's the 2nd in a series versus a 3rd. Plus the fact that ROTF ticket sales should not be able to compete with fresh released franchise films. Plus the fact that so many critics/fans are panning it.

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Retro Man

Pretty amazing considering it's the 2nd in a series versus a 3rd. Plus the fact that ROTF ticket sales should not be able to compete with fresh released franchise films. Plus the fact that so many critics/fans are panning it.

but its not a good film (sarcasm again )

[Firefalcon]

Lemmings like to dive off cliffs, it only makes sense that they would follow something that also takes a dive. In this case, movie goers(lemmings) are diving off a cliff after the suck much ROTF that is destined to go splat(the something). LEMMINGS!

[Firefrost]

I'm not a lemming

[Asphalt_Militia]

Originally Posted by joshwilson3

I'm mostly being comical. But I would have voted yes for it to have had a Megan Fox nude scene. If Devastator can show off his balls, and dogs can butt f uck, then Megan Fox can show her tits. I would see it 2-3+ times at the theater.

And on the later part. I thought most of the jokes were funny, but not for a Transformers movie. With all the American Pie jokes ruining the movie, I would have found it entertaining if the entire movie was just full blown ridiculous. Laugh out loud...

Megatron gets raped by Starscream.

Sam walks in on his mom and asks her if she is masturbating to Optimus Prime.

Sam breaks up with Mikaela because she is having a love affair with his father and mother. So, Sam hooks up with Alice, the Transformer blonde chick and they have Transformer/Human hybrid babies.

Optimus Prime almost at defeat decides to "Puss" out and kicks Devastator in the balls. Devastator falls off the pyramid and is badly hurt.

Devastator is injured, lying on the ground, and can't stop his sucking power thing. The Fallon gets a quick Blowjob and proceeds to the top of the pyramid to fight Prime.

While they are fighting, The Fallons crabs jump off and Ravage gathers them in his mouth.

Ravage then heads to the location of the Allspark shard and releases the crabs down a tube on the roof to recover the Allspark shard.

::SPOILER::

Yes folks, those little balls crawling around inside the building searching for the Allspark shard is actually The Fallons crabs that he got from Devastator.

COSIGNS 100 PERCENT!

Bay turned this film into a serious joke!

[Asphalt_Militia]

Originally Posted by Firefalcon

I just clicked this link, and ROTF actually edged out over Ice Age.

Ice Age was actually a more intelligent film than Transformers. It showed a lot more respect for it's audience!

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by Asphalt_Militia

Ice Age was actually a more intelligent film than Transformers. It showed a lot more respect for it's audience!

It's audience being 6 year olds? That's damning faint praise there...

[Firefalcon]

Well, this disaster of a sequal has passed TF2007 Both in the worldwide and Domestic numbers. Damn those critics for being right...oh...wait...they wheren't.

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Firefalcon

Well, this disaster of a sequal has passed TF2007 Both in the worldwide and Domestic numbers. Damn those critics for being right...oh...wait...they wheren't.

well, us who like the film were sure shown wrong weren't we?

[joshwilson3]

Originally Posted by Firefalcon

Well, this disaster of a sequal has passed TF2007 Both in the worldwide and Domestic numbers. Damn those critics for being right...oh...wait...they wheren't.

Just because the movie sucks balls doesn't mean it can't do well at the box office. How were the critics wrong? All they did was review the movie.

[Retro Man]

Originally Posted by joshwilson3

Just because the movie sucks balls doesn't mean it can't do well at the box office. How were the critics wrong? All they did was review the movie.

...yeah, but it doesn't suck balls, though. Ya know?!

[Asphalt_Militia]

Originally Posted by joshwilson3

Just because the movie sucks balls doesn't mean it can't do well at the box office. How were the critics wrong? All they did was review the movie.

Plenty of piece of sh*t products sell well, that doesn't speak anything to their quality.

The critics did their job, they went easy on the first film. We need a voice about the shortcomings in the series how else are the studios going to know they need to adjust course, the fans are in a glorious denial about the faults within these movies.

I can't speak for all the critics but I'm hoping my critiques have a perceived as constructive criticisms!

I for one don't want to see them blow a third film and see the public interest erode before they correct themselves.

How many hears after the last film from the Batman installment did we have to wait before they figured it out and revamped with the Dark Knight?

[Retro Man]

Originally Posted by Asphalt_Militia

the fans are in a glorious denial about the faults within these movies.

There are very little of us on these boards that deny their faults, fans or not. Some of us enjoyed our time/s with the films others didn't. That's all.

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Asphalt_Militia

the fans are in a glorious denial about the faults within these movies.

How many hears after the last film from the Batman installment did we have to wait before they figured it out and revamped with the Dark Knight?

And they made it worse?

[pittstop]

just like with the first film I'm going to have to say the box office is no indication of quality. It just means that word of mouth, clever advertising and simply a better market placing of it's merchandise, brought larger crowds to the cinema than the competition.

Blockbusters always set new records, TDK beat last years top seller, TROTF beat TDK, something else will come along soon and beat that - people go to watch films based upon such a complex set of motives that it is impossible to predict which films will do well and which will not, but the more famous a film is, either because of clever marketing, or because it is an established brand, will always win out over something that is totally unknown.

[Retro Man]

Originally Posted by pittstop

just like with the first film I'm going to have to say the box office is no indication of quality. It just means that word of mouth, clever advertising and simply a better market placing of it's merchandise, brought larger crowds to the cinema than the competition.

Blockbusters always set new records, TDK beat last years top seller, TROTF beat TDK, something else will come along soon and beat that - people go to watch films based upon such a complex set of motives that it is impossible to predict which films will do well and which will not, but the more famous a film is, either because of clever marketing, or because it is an established brand, will always win out over something that is totally unknown.

Or people enjoyed it and spread the word.

The only complaints I hear about the movie are from fanboys and critics. Meaning; only what I read on the internet. Everyone else I actually speak to that go out in the real world and see sunlight every once in a while really enjoyed it.

[Optimist Rhyme]

Originally Posted by Asphalt_Militia

I for one don't want to see them blow a third film and see the public interest erode before they correct themselves.

Public interest erode? I don't see that happening since this movie made even more than the last one. Box office munbers are a GREAT indicator of public interest.

I wont argue about subjective things like whether or not the movie was good or of sufficient quality. We can agree to disagree on those kinds of things.

However, in terms of public interest, box office numbers don't lie.

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by Optimist Rhyme

Public interest erode? I don't see that happening since this movie made even more than the last one. Box office munbers are a GREAT indicator of public interest.

I wont argue about subjective things like whether or not the movie was good or of sufficient quality. We can agree to disagree on those kinds of things.

However, in terms of public interest, box office numbers don't lie.

Indeed. I thought transformers would be slowing down by now, but it's still in the mix for the top three movies last weekend. That's no small feat if your movie "sucks".

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Wishful Thinking

Indeed. I thought transformers would be slowing down by now, but it's still in the mix for the top three movies last weekend. That's no small feat if your movie "sucks".

exactly, i mean the film came out like a month ago now, and is still being watched in hoards...so...yeah...it obviously sucks....

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Aesir

exactly, i mean the film came out like a month ago now, and is still being watched in hoards...so...yeah...it obviously sucks....

It's not the first movie to suck and make a lot of money:

#6 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace(1999) $431,088,301
#17 Spider-Man 3(2007) $336,530,303
and Deep Throat(1972) $100 000 000

(and so far ROTF is #14 $354,292,000)

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

It's not the first movie to suck and make a lot of money:

#6 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace(1999) $431,088,301
#17 Spider-Man 3(2007) $336,530,303
and Deep Throat(1972) $100 000 000

(and so far ROTF is #14 $354,292,000)

You know, neither episode I nor Spiderman 3 were horrible films. They just didn't live up to expectations.

[pittstop]

the box office may be a good indicator of popularity, I can't deny that. I think I said much the same thing about the first film but as was mentioned by a couple of other people - bad films CAN be popular, and GOOD films unpopular.

I was just venturing the possiblity that being popular meant it was famous and well advertised, nothing else. Let's face it, almost every newspaper has run a review of the film simply to mention how bad they thought it was. But other films released that week may not have even gotten a review, good or bad.

I think (as well as people seeing it, liking it and recommending it) there are a number of people who went just to see if it actually was as bad as the critics claim - I mean, there are people out there who don't think critics know their head from their behind.

my issue (i really hate that word) is the unjustifiable use of box office figures as an indication of whether the film is good, I disagree entirely that popular films have to be good, just because they are popular - the two don't HAVE to be linked. The film MAY be good and the critics all wrong - I'd be the first to laugh if that was the case, but I'm not sure anymore.

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by pittstop

my issue (i really hate that word) is the unjustifiable use of box office figures as an indication of whether the film is good, I disagree entirely that popular films have to be good, just because they are popular - the two don't HAVE to be linked. The film MAY be good and the critics all wrong - I'd be the first to laugh if that was the case, but I'm not sure anymore.

How about big box office numbers AND a B+ Yahoo User review rating?
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809943432/user

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Wishful Thinking

How about big box office numbers AND a B+ Yahoo User review rating?
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809943432/user

After reading the "Yahoo! Users Top-Rated Sci-Fi Films" ,i really dont rely on those ratings lol

http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/colle...i-films#photo0

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

After reading the "Yahoo! Users Top-Rated Sci-Fi Films" ,i really dont rely on those ratings lol

http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/colle...i-films#photo0

What's wrong with the list? It's obviously leaning toward "films in pop culture's recent memory", but other than that, it's not a bad list. I think Dark City should be on there, but it's a cult movie, not something I'd see on a Yahoo User list.