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[Galvanise_]

Originally Posted by Optimuschris

that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. i think the matrix was attempting to be smart and just ended up convoluted and unsatisfying. it had carrie anne moss in suggestive clothing and no humor at all that i can remember. *yawn* if they would have quit after the first one then i'd agree with you but they had to run it into the ground. but it had cool special effects and lots of explosions. sound familiar?

I don't think the Larry and Andy Wachowski intended to crack childish jokes in the movie. Thats probably one of the reasons i liked it. It didn't try to be funny. Most films that try to be funny, I've found, in my opinion, are not. After all what is funny about being slaves to a populations of machines who have imprisoned your mind within the confines of a computer Program, just to use your body as fuel?

With Trilogies, i personally don't judge each film, comparing it to the others. I take the Trilogy as the story and judge it all together. I found the APU vs Sentinel Battle to be one of the best Peices of film i have ever seen in my life, and particularly loved how Captain Mahony fought to the death when confronted by an unmovable mass of sentinels.

It did have much more than explosions. Transformers doesn't appear to.

[Optimuschris]

Originally Posted by Galvanise_

I don't think the Larry and Andy Wachowski intended to crack childish jokes in the movie. Thats probably one of the reasons i liked it. It didn't try to be funny. Most films that try to be funny, I've found, in my opinion, are not. After all what is funny about being slaves to a populations of machines who have imprisoned your mind within the confines of a computer Program, just to use your body as fuel?

With Trilogies, i personally don't judge each film, comparing it to the others. I take the Trilogy as the story and judge it all together. I found the APU vs Sentinel Battle to be one of the best Peices of film i have ever seen in my life, and particularly loved how Captain Mahony fought to the death when confronted by an unmovable mass of sentinels.

It did have much more than explosions. Transformers doesn't appear to.

they could have done with a bit of humor. you want to know what's funny about mankind being enslaved by their machines? the whole concept, that's what. carrie anne moss' death scene felt tacked on, predictable and totally unnecessary. the fight scene between neo and the million agent smiths was just stupid. vampire and werewolf stories a result of rogue programs? whatever. it did have a lot more than explosions, it also had a pretentious air that i found totally off-putting. but hey, that's just my opinion.

[Spanbauer]

Originally Posted by Galvanise_

I don't think the Larry and Andy Wachowski intended to crack childish jokes in the movie. Thats probably one of the reasons i liked it. It didn't try to be funny. Most films that try to be funny, I've found, in my opinion, are not. After all what is funny about being slaves to a populations of machines who have imprisoned your mind within the confines of a computer Program, just to use your body as fuel?

It would be inappropriate to crack jokes during the second two Matrix films, but I also think the fact that it took itself so ridiculously serious is why I really don't have any desire to ever watch those films again. Different strokes for different folks, but I think most people would agree that Transformers should strive to be a film you want to see in the theatre 3-5 times. And it seems that's what a lot of people who have seen it intend to do.

Originally Posted by Galvanise_

It did have much more than explosions. Transformers doesn't appear to.

Here's the thing.

You already know everything there is to know about this movie. You already know the characters, you already know Autobots & Decepticons, you already know the personalities, you already know the reason they are here, you already know where they came from, you already know how they got here, you already know their backstory, and you probably already know how everything's going to shake down. So if you're looking for more out of Transformers than everything that you already know, then yes you will be dissappointed in the same way you would have been if you already knew everything that was going to happen in The Matrix.

You can't compare a film adaptation of a franchise you've been following for 20 years to an original concept you didn't know anything about before seeing the film. For the guy or gal that doesn't know jack **** about Transformers, everything that happens in the film (that you already know) is going to be a lot to take in. The backstory, screentime, abilities, character and personalities of these robots is like nothing that's ever been done in an "alien invasion" film before. On that front, it's breaking major new ground, but none of us are going to notice, because we already know all that.

[fordinski]

one stinkin review on the movie wont change my mind about seeing it. on rotten tomatoes, last time i checked it got 5 fresh tomatoe reviews (not rotten) all these reviews had their gripes about the movie but for what it was a movie about giant robots beating on each other they liked it for more than just that.

[Galvanise_]

Originally Posted by Spanbauer

You can't compare a film adaptation of a franchise you've been following for 20 years to an original concept you didn't know anything about before seeing the film.

I wish i'd been following it for 20 years, i'm only 18!

[joeV30]

I called it. The first bad review ranters would parade it around like it was the final word on the film. Rotten Tomatoes is giving it an 82% fresh so far. But Im sure this means nothing. The final word on the film has been spoken.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_the_movie/

[michaelbay.com]

Originally Posted by eMdrasden

If I say no you will say I have no idea, if I say yes then its all about how I'm one of the claimed few.

I stand by my last statement.

So I take that as a no.

[Galvanise_]

Originally Posted by joeV30

I called it. The first bad review ranters would parade it around like it was the final word on the film. Rotten Tomatoes is giving it an 82% fresh so far. But Im sure this means nothing. The final word on the film has been spoken.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_the_movie/

Who is parading it in such a way?

[G1Sideswipe]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

I have never seen so many people applaud, yell, high-five, and become emotional or acion sequences and CGI characters.

The "Autobots come to earth" sequence is one of the best by far in cinema. It reminded me of the end montage of the Godfather. Goose-pimple all over. People clapping and cheering. Unbelieveable. The majestic entrance of their characters was overwhelming.

Something tells me you're full of crap

[michaelbay.com]

Originally Posted by Galvanise_

Yeah. It says that those people are stupid. Stupid enough to find silly jokes and plot holes smart.

Does anyone else feel sometimes that you are slowly losing faith in the human race.

Smart Movie = The Matrix
Not smart movie = Bayformers.

Bwahahahahaha....psuedo philosophy at best. The Matrix was a movie based on a gimmick: what is the matrix? The fact that they used religious symbolism to try to enhance the plot shows how goofy it was. It was never meant to be taken seriously. It was just a fun popcorn movie that failed to deliver at the end.

[G1Sideswipe]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

Ok, so half of the crowd walked out half way through the movie. They thought it scuked worse than donkey balls.

Now that sounds more realistic. People high-fiving this movie.....almost had me fooled with that one

[scalan15]

Here's a link to his review

http://www.thehotbutton.com/today/ho...70629_fri.html

[scalan15]

Her review is laughable.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/...&r id=1643677

[Me Grimlock King....RARRR]

no. no no. nononono. Take it down, down now.

Not gonna harass a guy for posting a bad review, or a good one for that matter

[scalan15]

lol, why?

[Galvanise_]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

Bwahahahahaha....psuedo philosophy at best. The Matrix was a movie based on a gimmick: what is the matrix?

Erm, isn't transforming Robots a Gimic?

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

what is the matrix?

Morpheus: 'The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.'

Everyone knows that!

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

The fact that they used religious symbolism to try to enhance the plot shows how goofy it was.

So using symbolism is goofy? Some of the most respected writers in the world use techniques such as that, and i'm afraid you, Nelson, pale in comparison to them. It did not 'try to enhance the plot', It did. The Matrix kept making us the audience question. Much like the great Greek Philosophers did, some of the most intelligent men to walk the earth.

"I'm trying to free your mind, Nelson. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it."

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

It was never meant to be taken seriously. It was just a fun popcorn movie that failed to deliver at the end.

Tell Us great and powerful Nelson how you would have ended that trilogy? Maybe with a musical montage sang entirely by yourself, about how fantastic it is to be able to suck up to Mr Michael Bay and get paid for it?

[Optimuschris]

Originally Posted by Galvanise_

The Matrix kept making us the audience question.

it did! i know i kept asking myself if it was almost over...

[Spanbauer]

Still a way to go before Transformers hits my predicted 35% score on the tomato meeter; these critics better get to work!

[Me Grimlock King....RARRR]

Becasue it's a scumbag thing to do

[Me Grimlock King....RARRR]

Originally Posted by scalan15

Her review is laughable.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/...&r id=1643677

that is a very poor review though

[Galvanise_]

Originally Posted by Optimuschris

it did! i know i kept asking myself if it was almost over...

How very witty of you! Want a cookie?

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by scalan15

Here's a link to his review

http://www.thehotbutton.com/today/ho...70629_fri.html

When I read this I picture the cat throwing woman from the Simpsons writing it. While I have a problem with some of the designs I am looking forward to the movie.

[Deceptitech]

Originally Posted by Galvanise_

How very witty of you! Want a cookie?

I was thinking the same thing. The Matrix was an americanized chop sockey flick with Bill S Preston esq. doing his best Jackie Chan on Hugo Weaving.

It like this movie is a popcorn movie. Sit down, shut up, turn the brain off, eat your popcorn and give us money.

I am not going to attack that part. That movie sells in this day and age. What I AM going on is mr. official-type guy telling me this movie is a better cinematic masterpiece than the Godfather with a straight face. Did you practice in the mirror saying this, or did you have to backspace from all the typos from laughing to yourself when you said "yeah, that'll wow em."

If I went too far, I appologize, but seriously what were you thinking when you typed that?

This movie is a flick for almost everyone in the mass market. For the guys we have explosions, millitary guys shooting guns, alien invasions, and Megan Fox to drool at. For the ladies, you have a sappy love story for your guy who will never see that part.

For the Autobot fans you have Peter Cullen. For the Decepticon fans, you have 2 things right now, and I would say them but I KNOW that would get me in trouble. Think Army of Darkness.

[michaelbay.com]

Originally Posted by Galvanise_

Erm, isn't transforming Robots a Gimic?

Yes, and no one has ever denied it.

So using symbolism is goofy? Some of the most respected writers in the world use techniques such as that, and i'm afraid you, Nelson, pale in comparison to them. It did not 'try to enhance the plot', It did. The Matrix kept making us the audience question. Much like the great Greek Philosophers did, some of the most intelligent men to walk the earth.

Those writers you mention did it with intelligence and tact. They did not overuse to ad naseum.

Tell Us great and powerful Nelson how you would have ended that trilogy? Maybe with a musical montage sang entirely by yourself, about how fantastic it is to be able to suck up to Mr Michael Bay and get paid for it?

I've would ended it with Journey sing "Don't stop Believing." Because that would've been aperfect end to the Oracles' last words.

I like it that you use a claim of which you have no proof of to try and insult me. If there was someone fighting to be an over-achiever in stupidity, you fit the bill.

Go watch the movie first.

[michaelbay.com]

Originally Posted by Deceptitech

What I AM going on is mr. official-type guy telling me this movie is a better cinematic masterpiece than the Godfather with a straight face. Did you practice in the mirror saying this, or did you have to backspace from all the typos from laughing to yourself when you said "yeah, that'll wow em."

If I went too far, I appologize, but seriously what were you thinking when you typed that?

A hater like you should really stop pulling BS from thin air.

I never compared the two.

What I did say was that it the tone and the majesty of the monatge reminded me of the montage in the first GF movie.

Before talking out of your a s s, you should study film and perhaps learn what a montage is. Here's some help.

[gobots]

Wow what a "DUMB" review!

I Want to see the transformers again!!!! see ya!

[karnage]

the guy who wrote that review is a TOTAL RETARD.

it's obvious from reading that review the guy was dropped on his head a few times after child birth. or maybe he was neglected by his parents and always dropped off at child care when he was a toddler. or maybe kids used to make fun of his glasses back in elementary school. or he was always the kid to be picked last in anything. whatever history he had.. he has a major carrot up his a$$ and some sort of major bitterness to this movie, GM, Hasbro, .

I think he wasn't given an advanced viewing with all the A grade journalists and was bitter about that. Or maybe during his adolescent years the one girl he wanted went out with the guy with a GM. He never got Hasbro transformers toys as a kid cause only the cool kids had them, and he was stuck with rubber bands to play with.

seriously, this guy seems to have a MAJOR chip on his shoulder. he's not even reviewing the movie, rather picking all the bits which brought back his worst childhood memories....

[botch]

On AICN. You'll find two talkbackers. Yackbacker and Messi who were brutally vocal against this movie(Messi was especially brutally vocal against Bay) give pretty positive yet critical reviews.

http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/33186

[bigbaldpapa]

Sweet! That person will soon be able to say that she gave a bad review to the highest grossing movie of the year.

[bigbaldpapa]

Looks good!

[Weborific]

And the title of the review is "Merde That Meets The Eye?!!"
That means "Sh*t that meets the eye." That's AWFUL! What a loser! I highly doubt this move is SH*T!! Some people....

[VIOL8TR]

Originally Posted by scalan15

Her review is laughable.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/...&r id=1643677

wow so according to this bimbo, shia is a bad actor?

[karnage]

"Victoria Alexander lives in Las Vegas, Nevada and answers every email EXCEPT HATE MAIL REGARDING THIS REVIEW. You can contact Victoria directly at masauu@aol.com"

i think she'll be sifting through quite a bit of hatemail....

[gobots]

Originally Posted by karnage

the guy who wrote that review is a TOTAL RETARD.

it's obvious from reading that review the guy was dropped on his head a few times after child birth. or maybe he was neglected by his parents and always dropped off at child care when he was a toddler. or maybe kids used to make fun of his glasses back in elementary school. or he was always the kid to be picked last in anything. whatever history he had.. he has a major carrot up his a$$ and some sort of major bitterness to this movie, GM, Hasbro, .

I think he wasn't given an advanced viewing with all the A grade journalists and was bitter about that. Or maybe during his adolescent years the one girl he wanted went out with the guy with a GM. He never got Hasbro transformers toys as a kid cause only the cool kids had them, and he was stuck with rubber bands to play with.

seriously, this guy seems to have a MAJOR chip on his shoulder. he's not even reviewing the movie, rather picking all the bits which brought back his worst childhood memories....

O U C H!!!!

[BucMan55]

Someone on Rotten Tomatoes linked a rotten review to the transformers and its not about the transformers movie. Otherwise its 11 fresh, 2 rotten from the critics....

[Galvanise_]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

Those writers you mention did it with intelligence and tact. They did not overuse to ad naseum.

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

I've would ended it with Journey sing "Don't stop Believing." Because that would've been aperfect end to the Oracles' last words.

Yes, what about the ACTUAL finale to the movie. What so the movie ultimately didn't deliver because there was not a fitting song after the Oracles last words?

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

Go watch the movie first.

Get a new damn comeback. I already know everything i need to know about this movie. Drawn out human scenes, seldom lines from the decepticons, rubbish plot.

Yes the CGI is good, but that does not make it a good movie.

[chogiebear]

Critics like the film, too. "Michael Bay's actioner hits a new peak for CGI (computer generated images) work, showcasing spectacular chases and animated transformation sequences seamlessly blended into live-action surroundings," wrote Todd McCarthy in show business newspaper "Daily Variety."

link
http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/2...316461500.html

[Heatwave]

The reviewer is perfectly entitled to his opinion. Does it really matter? So far the reviews are almost totally positive and the movie is poised to rake in tons o' cash. Who cares about one or two bad reviews? Did I miss when movie critics suddenly became relevent?

Originally Posted by eMdrasden

If I say no you will say I have no idea, if I say yes then its all about how I'm one of the claimed few.

I stand by my last statement.

I'm guessing that's a resounding no.

[Deceptitech]

Originally Posted by michaelbay.com

A hater like you should really stop pulling BS from thin air.

I never compared the two.

What I did say was that it the tone and the majesty of the monatge reminded me of the montage in the first GF movie.

Before talking out of your a s s, you should study film and perhaps learn what a montage is. Here's some help.

My appologies for getting it wrong. You didn't say what I thought. Bad Deceptitech.*slaps wrists*

However, any comparison you make with this load and The Godfather still generates laughter(even if it does remind you of that movie, it's still funny). I'm not saying the montage is cruddy, just you're picking the wrong movie to compare it with.

[Deceptitech]

Originally Posted by Heatwave

The reviewer is perfectly entitled to his opinion. Does it really matter? So far the reviews are almost totally positive and the movie is poised to rake in tons o' cash. Who cares about one or two bad reviews? Did I miss when movie critics suddenly became relevent?

I'm guessing that's a resounding no.

Since when do most ravers count someone who has a differing opinion as a valid one?

[MetalDrums]

Is this the smartes film I have seen? No

Best action movie? Def Yes!

I loved this movie, I had high expectations and they where all delivered.
The story isnt the best, but I think this movie will do great as a triology, with more story in the next ones. Im really looking forward to more transformers in the future

[Buzzsaw]

SPOILERS AHEAD:

He liked the film. There was an appreciation of its self-awareness and the awkward teenage boy stuff. He liked the comedy and loved the special effects, BUT... There's always a "but!" lol Overall, a good review of the film. If you want to go in with an unbiased opinion, wait to check this out until after you've seen it.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...VIEWS/70620006

[Carrion]

I sigged my favorite quote from the review.

[Daemon Razorclaw]

I like how he says the decepticons are battling the transformers...

ummm Autobots... hello....

[Carrion]

Originally Posted by Daemon Razorclaw

I like how he says the decepticons are battling the transformers...

ummm Autobots... hello....

That's an easy mistake to make, considering he's as far away from the fandom as humanly possible. It could've been worse, it could have been "the battle between the Megatrons and the Optimuses"

[Daemon Razorclaw]

That begs the question... what is the plural of Optimus... would it be Optimi???

lol. well the fact he gave it 3 out of 4 means Bay done did good this time. But the REAL verdict will come tomorrow on my first post... post movie.

[Carrion]

Originally Posted by Daemon Razorclaw

That begs the question... what is the plural of Optimus... would it be Optimi???

lol. well the fact he gave it 3 out of 4 means Bay done did good this time. But the REAL verdict will come tomorrow on my first post... post movie.

The board is going to explode with "My review" posts, even though there's a stickied topic for them. I think it'll be a no-mans land until around august 6th

[Me Grimlock King....RARRR]

Well, it;s like the ravers always say, it;s not like critics really know anything, so we can all make fun of this one.

[Heatwave]

His one complaint was that there was way too much robot action.

[Carrion]

Originally Posted by Me Grimlock King....RARRR

Well, it;s like the ravers always say, it;s not like critics really know anything, so we can all make fun of this one.

I think the raver protocol only counts towards reviews that cite unfaithfulness to G1 as the principle negative aspect. At least that's what I think the handbook says. I don't know, I only joined for the dental insurance.