General Approval Poll - How's it look NOW?

[Devastator187]

Originally Posted by Carrion

There's a certain design scheme, but there is by no means a strict code that says that Frankensteins monster must look like this. Does a variation on the look mean that this isn't Frankensteins monster?

Which one is more recognized as Frankenstein? IMO, the first one. I don't see stores selling and kids dressing up like the second pic when they're Frankenstein? Have you? Please, I really want to see a kid's costume of the 2nd picture.

[MegaGearX]

Originally Posted by Carrion

There's a certain design scheme, but there is by no means a strict code that says that Frankensteins monster must look like this. Does a variation on the look mean that this isn't Frankensteins monster?

No one is forcing them to. No. There are those who wouldn't have recognized it as such. The more faithful you are, the less doubt and question of who that character is. Movie Megs needed a tag that said "Megatron". Show me another variation of a character image and see if I can figure out who it is.

Yes, a ghost for Halloween could easily be a white sheet over your head. And then again it could be a man doused in white paint with rags and chains on going "Boo..."

[Orochi_Rockman]

I'm completely 50 / 50 on this movie.

As far as the designs are concerned MegaGear's sig says exactly how I feel.

Sigh. Eat official disclaimer: I don't want a photo-realistic cg rendering of the cartoon/comic book/toys. I wanted characters who at least resemble themselves ala Jazz and Prime, characters who are recognizable DESPITE the Bayformer aesthetic.

I hate the way Ratchet, Megatron, Ironhide, Starscream, and Bumblebee look. But that aside, their models in the trailers look amazing and the action looks great.

What I'm not a fan of is the script and how well written this film is. I haven't read the script so it is a fear of the unknown. But I haven't seen anything that tells me it's going to be good in that regard.

[Carrion]

Originally Posted by MegaGearX

No one is forcing them to. No. There are those who wouldn't have recognized it as such. The more faithful you are, the less doubt and question of who that character is. Movie Megs needed a tag that said "Megatron". Show me another variation of a character image and see if I can figure out who it is.

Without any labels, or group shots to differentiate him from the other character, would you have been able to say with utmost confidence that this,or this is Megatron? Throughout the years Megatron has changed appearance more drastically than any other character.

[nuOpus]

Originally Posted by Devastator187

Since living in Tracy after marriage, a small town 1hr away from SF with nothing to do , I've been watching TF 1986 Movie almost every Friday after a few drinks of either cran and vod or beer. The Movie seems better when you're buzz.

Cran and Vod FTW! I haven't watched TF when I am buzzed yet. Maybe I should invite some friends over and do a Guinness Transformer night. Hmmmmmmm.

[Devastator187]

Originally Posted by nuOpus

Cran and Vod FTW! I haven't watched TF when I am buzzed yet. Maybe I should invite some friends over and do a Guinness Transformer night. Hmmmmmmm.

Great idea! Why don't you host this event and invite the Ranters and Ravers over to discuss the movie over a few Guinnesses. I'll bring a case and The Movie DVD.

[nuOpus]

Originally Posted by MegaGearX

It isn't hogwash.

No one sets those rules. That's what is expected, PERIOD. You make a Hulk movie, you expect to see a big green dude smashing stuff. You make Harry Potter you have to have a kid casting spells. You dress up kids during Halloween as Frankenstien's Monster there is a certain why that character looks. Deviate from that and you get "huh"? Why did you think so many people thumbed their noses up at the designs? By saying that it was based on G1, folks expected G1. They even had a flat nosed truck at first. And let's not forget Don Murphy. They got influences from everything, even Beast Wars and Armada, but no one is comparing these characters to those. G1 is what these guys are compared to. They dug themselves into a pit the further the production got, and realising it they changed their tune up to divorce the movie from being harassed by constant G1 constraints.

I saw the render of Megatron and wouldn't have guessed it as Megs at all. It didn't even look like it transformed. A lot of fans didn't. "Where's the bucket head?" "Where is the fusion cannon?" Hence all the complaints that made them reconsider his look. So it isn't just "his" point of view or "your" perception.

Accepted by whom? There seems to be LOTS of the fandom that will disagree with you. This is MOST DEFINITELY based off of G1. You are still questioning degree here. Megatron for example, has gone through some major design changes that make them virtually indistinguishable from other versions. Yet, it is still widely accepted those incarnations are Megatron. Why is this any different? Just because 'YOU' can't see it as Megaton makes you the only correct one here? Or the ones here that disagree with you and think the new designs fit nicely into the Transformers universe and are based on G1 are wrong and you are right?

[MegaGearX]

Originally Posted by Carrion

Without any labels, or group shots to differentiate him from the other character, would you have been able to say with utmost confidence that this,or this is Megatron?

Nope. They don't look like any Megatron I know. Neither did Cybertron's Megatron. He looked like Bluestreak on steriods.

But they ARE Megatron.

I hated those Megatron versions. Passed on them. Becuase they didn't look anything like the original Megatron, like Prime has always looked like Prime. Kept that consistent look. Megatron didn't and that ruined the toys for me. I still watched the shows and followed the fiction.

Megatron lost his Megatron-ish look since the end of Beast Wars where only his face was visible. But the fusion cannon aspect and bucket head were even on BW Megs. During RID, they got another character to be Megatron and then the look of Megatron has varied. (Wishful and Natilie will be all over this post...watch)

[nuOpus]

Originally Posted by Devastator187

Great idea! Why don't you host this event and invite the Ranters and Ravers over to discuss the movie over a few Guinnesses. I'll bring a case and The Movie DVD.

Ya. I have said before I wanted to have a party with Ranters and Ravers, and would even buy a plane ticket for two people to come. Star_Scream said no though, because she had a BBQ to do that day. LOL

[Carrion]

Originally Posted by MegaGearX

Nope. They don't look like any Megatron I know. Neither did Cybertron's Megatron. He looked like Bluestreak on steriods.

But they ARE Megatron.

But if those Megatrons ARE Megatron, then why isn't this one in the eyes of the ranters?

[MegaGearX]

Originally Posted by nuOpus

Accepted by whom? There seems to be LOTS of the fandom that will disagree with you. This is MOST DEFINITELY based off of G1. You are still questioning degree here. Megatron for example, has gone through some major design changes that make them virtually indistinguishable from other versions. Yet, it is still widely accepted those incarnations are Megatron. Why is this any different? Just because 'YOU' can't see it as Megaton makes you the only correct one here? Or the ones here that disagree with you and think the new designs fit nicely into the Transformers universe and are based on G1 are wrong and you are right?

I know this is based off G1. Spike and his Dad? Modern day? Classic characters? C'mon I've been telling folks all this time. But there are those fans who keep trying to distance the movie from the cartoons and defend the design choices...first it was G1 based, the it was loosely based, then it's inspired by as the production finishes.

You think EVERYONE thinks ALL these designs are cool? They are accepted only because it can't be changed. When the merchandise started appearing most of the ranting died. You'd best believe if people could change Megatron and Starscream the most reviled of the designs, they would.

And lastly I don't take MY opinions as everyones. But there are folks who do share my opinion. Last I checked NO one here absolutely hated the designs and 44% of the 50 people who took my poll loved everything about the movie.

[Devastator187]

Originally Posted by MegaGearX

I know this is based off G1. Spike and his Dad? Modern day? Classic characters? C'mon I've been telling folks all this time. But there are those fans who keep trying to distance the movie from the cartoons and defend the design choices...first it was G1 based, the it was loosely based, then it's inspired by as the production finishes.

You think EVERYONE thinks ALL these designs are cool? They are accepted only because it can't be changed. When the merchandise started appearing most of the ranting died. You'd best believe if people could change Megatron and Starscream the most reviled of the designs, they would.

And lastly I don't take MY opinions as everyones. But there are folks who do share my opinion. Last I checked NO one here absolutely hated the designs and 44% of the 50 people who took my poll loved everything about the movie.

I must admit, I share youre opinion on this, Mega!

To the Ravers once again and final from me, although IMO I DO NOT LIKE the color schemes and designs of most TF, I'm still going to watch this movie. PERIOD.

[MegaGearX]

Originally Posted by Carrion

But if those Megatrons ARE Megatron, then why isn't this one in the eyes of the ranters?

Hey. I said that they were Megatrons. I said that I didn't like what they looked like.

As for the ranters, I think they were expecting Welker's Megatron to Cullen's Prime. They were expecting a robot that had some resemblance to the bazooka carrying, bullet headed, grey G1 gun Megatron. Hell, there was beef when Welker WASN'T chosen as Megs.

Look up to Aug 26th 2006, I think. When Megatron's images first hit. You'll get a sense of how folks felt...and what they were expecting.

[nuOpus]

Originally Posted by Carrion

But if those Megatrons ARE Megatron, then why isn't this one in the eyes of the ranters?

I want to know this also. There seems to be a degree to what is acceptable with "them." Two Megs that look drastically different from the G1 version are okay, but this one that is also drastically different is not. Its either just their personal dislike, or they just can't accept the live action medium?

[Carrion]

Originally Posted by nuOpus

I want to know this also. There seems to be a degree to what is acceptable with "them." Two Megs that look drastically different from the G1 version are okay, but this one that is also drastically different is not. Its either just their personal dislike, or they just can't accept the live action medium?

maybe they'll change their minds once they actually see this Megatron walk and talk....maybe

[MegaGearX]

Originally Posted by Devastator187

I must admit, I share youre opinion on this, Mega!

To the Ravers once again and final from me, although IMO I DO NOT LIKE the color schemes and designs of most TF, I'm still going to watch this movie. PERIOD.

I agree...for the most part. This new mythos IS enjoyable (even though they left stuff out) and it seems to be the most intelligent TF era since the Beast era. Prime, Jazz, Blackout, Brawl, Barricade and Scorponok look great! Megatron, Starscream, Frenzy and Bonecrusher look wack. Bumblebee, Ratchet and Ironhide bodies are cool, but they need better heads.

The ravers been fighting ranters so long that they pick fights when there is no need to. All I'm saying is that while there are no Star_Scream style ranters who will not go see the movie, not everyone is 100% thrilled with all the decisions made, but will still see the movie regardless.

[MegaGearX]

Originally Posted by nuOpus

I want to know this also. There seems to be a degree to what is acceptable with "them." Two Megs that look drastically different from the G1 version are okay, but this one that is also drastically different is not. Its either just their personal dislike, or they just can't accept the live action medium?

Sigh...is everything so black and white with ravers??? Either 100% acceptance or 100% hatred?!!!! What, folks can't like some aspects, but hate others???!!! There's no shades of grey with you guys...

I don't like those two Megatrons AND Bay's version. I explained why I didn't like them above. I didn't buy the toys, but the wack versions of Megs didn't stop me from watching the shows.

Originally Posted by Carrion

maybe they'll change their minds once they actually see this Megatron walk and talk....maybe

Maybe. But like Starscream who does neat transformations, he STILL looks ***.

[nuOpus]

Originally Posted by MegaGearX

Sigh...is everything so black and white with ravers??? Either 100% acceptance or 100% hatred?!!!! What, folks can't like some aspects, but hate others???!!! There's no shades of grey with you guys...

I don't like those two Megatrons AND Bay's version. I explained why I didn't like them above. I didn't buy the toys, but the wack versions of Megs didn't stop me from watching the shows.



Maybe. But like Starscream who does neat transformations, he STILL looks ***.

I think someone needs a hug. Do you need a hug? And pie?

[MegaGearX]

Originally Posted by nuOpus

I think someone needs a hug. Do you need a hug? And pie?

I eat cake. But I'll trade you a cake to sample some of your pie.

[nuOpus]

Originally Posted by MegaGearX

I eat cake. But I'll trade you a cake to sample some of your pie.

Is it cheesecake? Because I have blueberry pie.

[Submariner]

Originally Posted by MegaGearX

It isn't hogwash.

No one sets those rules. That's what is expected, PERIOD. You make a Hulk movie, you expect to see a big green dude smashing stuff. You make Harry Potter you have to have a kid casting spells.

You make a Transformers movie, you expect to see robots changing into vehicles. Oh wait, that's what they made.

Originally Posted by Devastator187

Which one is more recognized as Frankenstein? IMO, the first one. I don't see stores selling and kids dressing up like the second pic when they're Frankenstein? Have you? Please, I really want to see a kid's costume of the 2nd picture.

Actually, the second pic is much more accurate if you go by the ORIGINAL Frankenstein's monster, as described in Mary Shelley's novel. In fact, if you showed a clip of the Frankenstein monster from that movie to someone who had read the book soon after it was written, it wouldn't even have been recognizable. So there.

[Devastator187]

Originally Posted by nuOpus

I want to know this also. There seems to be a degree to what is acceptable with "them." Two Megs that look drastically different from the G1 version are okay, but this one that is also drastically different is not. Its either just their personal dislike, or they just can't accept the live action medium?

I never thought those 2 megs were ok. Never liked them for the same reason as Metagear. Now, as for pies...

[Devastator187]

Originally Posted by Submariner

You make a Transformers movie, you expect to see robots changing into vehicles. Oh wait, that's what they made.



Actually, the second pic is much more accurate if you go by the ORIGINAL Frankenstein's monster, as described in Mary Shelley's novel. In fact, if you showed a clip of the Frankenstein monster from that movie to someone who had read the book soon after it was written, it wouldn't even have been recognizable. So there.

I read Mary Shelley's Frankenstein in HS and did a repot on it. However, I don't remember that illustration anywhere in her book. Was it in the Cliffnotes?

Unless you're referring to the Frankenstein w/ Robert DeNiro, then I careless for the design in there as well. Storyline and acting was great though IMO.

BTW, with all due respect, I've always thought Submariner is an Aqua-Man knockoff... Oh boy, look what have I done...LOL =)

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by MegaGearX

Nope. They don't look like any Megatron I know. Neither did Cybertron's Megatron. He looked like Bluestreak on steriods.

Bluestreak?

But they ARE Megatron.

I hated those Megatron versions. Passed on them. Becuase they didn't look anything like the original Megatron, like Prime has always looked like Prime. Kept that consistent look. Megatron didn't and that ruined the toys for me. I still watched the shows and followed the fiction.

Megatron lost his Megatron-ish look since the end of Beast Wars where only his face was visible. But the fusion cannon aspect and bucket head were even on BW Megs. During RID, they got another character to be Megatron and then the look of Megatron has varied. (Wishful and Natilie will be all over this post...watch)

Well, with an invitation like that...

I'm only going to mention that RiD Megatron was never intended to BE Megatron (and really goes by the name of Gigatron in accordance to the original Car Robots cartoon RiD was dubbed from).

[MegaGearX]

Originally Posted by Wishful Thinking

Bluestreak?

Yes. His head has that Bluestreak, Prowl, Smokescreen thing going on with the boomerang over his eyes. Not the exact color. And he transforms into a car for one of his forms. And he's enormous. That's why I called him Bluestreak on steriods.

Well, with an invitation like that...

I'm only going to mention that RiD Megatron was never intended to BE Megatron (and really goes by the name of Gigatron in accordance to the original Car Robots cartoon RiD was dubbed from).

Dude...I never forgot when I compared Prowl to Skid-Z and you come outta nowhere and explain he actually IS Prowl! LOL..

You and Natalie are like walking Cybertronians (those $24.99 guides to Transformers that came out years ago).

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by MegaGearX

Yes. His head has that Bluestreak, Prowl, Smokescreen thing going on with the boomerang over his eyes. Not the exact color. And he transforms into a car for one of his forms. And he's enormous. That's why I called him Bluestreak on steriods.

To each their own, I suppose. I'll grant you the crest, but everything else screams NOT BLUESTREAK!!!!

Dude...I never forgot when I compared Prowl to Skid-Z and you come outta nowhere and explain he actually IS Prowl! LOL..

You and Natalie are like walking Cybertronians (those $24.99 guides to Transformers that came out years ago).

[Submariner]

Originally Posted by Devastator187

I read Mary Shelley's Frankenstein in HS and did a repot on it. However, I don't remember that illustration anywhere in her book. Was it in the Cliffnotes?

Unless you're referring to the Frankenstein w/ Robert DeNiro, then I careless for the design in there as well. Storyline and acting was great though IMO.

BTW, with all due respect, I've always thought Submariner is an Aqua-Man knockoff... Oh boy, look what have I done...LOL =)

Well, there's no illustration, I know, but going by the written description. The original Frankenstein monster had none of the things that the familiar version we all know and love has. No green skin, no flat top head, no blazer, no bolts in neck. In fact speaking of the DeNiro version, THAT monster is probably the most accurate version ever put on screen. Looks, mannerisms, personality, everything. It's very faithful to the original.

BTW, Namor the Submariner came out BEFORE Aquaman, so HE's the knock-off.

Namor - 1939

Aquaman - 1941

In fact, Namor was one of the first super heroes ever created. (Though he's usually more of an anti-hero.)