Top reasons why ROTF is maybe not an "epic movie".

[Grimlock99]

There seems to be a debate on whether or not ROTF should be seen as an "epic movie".Let's find the reasons why it shouldn't be:

-A Michael Bay film
-"I am directly below enemy scrotum"
-Animal sex
-"Hey, Professor, I'd do anything for an A"
-Humping robot
-"We don't really do much reading. Not so much."
-2 movie ,2 characters,one actor.

[Retro Man]

Um...OK?

[Grimlock99]

-A farting robot
-Some ridiculously confusing battle scenes
-A semi is faster than a Camaro and Corvette

[Aesir]

Where is there a debate about if the movie is epic or not?

[Retro Man]

Originally Posted by Aesir

Where is there a debate about if the movie is epic or not?

Umm...right?

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Retro Man

Umm...right?

um...what?

[Wishful Thinking]

Debate where...what?

[pittstop]

just another Bay-hating monologue, perhaps Grimlock and Lady D should get a room and hammer this out together as they seem to be the only ones who still care.

[Wishful Thinking]

It just seems so close to his other thread "name TF3". One would think you could lick a wound only so many times before it starts to turn raw...

[pittstop]

That said, how many "Cullen must play prime" threads did we have in "the old place".

I can appreciate why people still have issues AND still want to discuss it, and I have advocated simply letting those that do "get on with it". It isn't compulsory to comment. But I can appreciate when the board is so quiet, why the "regulars" are getting bored with the repetition.

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by pittstop

That said, how many "Cullen must play prime" threads did we have in "the old place".

LOL. My first break away from the "pack". I'd love to have all those folks back here that submitted votes in that old, old poll and ask them if they still think Cullen should have played Prime or if they would have been comfortable with someone else, since OP simply isn't quite the same Prime they remembered from their childhood.

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Wishful Thinking

LOL. My first break away from the "pack". I'd love to have all those folks back here that submitted votes in that old, old poll and ask them if they still think Cullen should have played Prime or if they would have been comfortable with someone else, since OP simply isn't quite the same Prime they remembered from their childhood.

oh they're probably the same people who are flaming all over rotten tomatoes or tfw lol

[pittstop]

Just to set the record straight - I'm not saying Grimlock99, Lady Decepticon, G1 Sideswipe or anyone else that wants to criticise the film (I name those three as the most vocal) shouldn't have their say - it's a public forum who could stop them? what I am saying is that generally speaking we've heard all the arguments already - therefore we aren't actually furthering the debate by dragging up points made 2 years back.

I am however an exponent of just ignoring posts which you feel are repetitious, pointless or for that matter "just another moan". I will now practice what I preach by stepping out of this debate, rather than drag it off topic, as I don't feel I wish to bandy words on the subject of whether ROTF was "epic" or not. It was expensive, it had setting across the globe, it had a plot that could ultimately have placed the whole planet in jeapody - if that isn't epic I must have the wrong dictionary.

What we are arguing (again) was whether the film was a GOOD blockbuster, as in "was it well made" "was it well written" "was it well acted" "were the effects good" "was the action exciting" etc... and as has been implied by Aesir, Retroman and Wishful, all those questions have been asked, debated, argued and concluded months ago.

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by pittstop

and concluded months ago.

Well, for each one's respective opinion at least.

G1 Sideswipe

I don't think he even posts here anymore. He scuttled away pretty fast after we ousted his negative banter about a film he hadn't even seen yet.

[Firefalcon]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

There seems to be a debate on whether or not ROTF should be seen as an "epic movie".Let's find the reasons why it shouldn't be:

-A Michael Bay film
-"I am directly below enemy scrotum"
-Animal sex
-"Hey, Professor, I'd do anything for an A"
-Humping robot
-"We don't really do much reading. Not so much."
-2 movie ,2 characters,one actor.

-The movie still made Domestic: $402,111,870 and Worldwide: $833,229,011
-The movie still made Domestic: $402,111,870 and Worldwide: $833,229,011
-The movie still made Domestic: $402,111,870 and Worldwide: $833,229,011
-The movie still made Domestic: $402,111,870 and Worldwide: $833,229,011
-The movie still made Domestic: $402,111,870 and Worldwide: $833,229,011
-The movie still made Domestic: $402,111,870 and Worldwide: $833,229,011

Personally, I have nothing against Bay; and I thought the "Hey, Professor, I'd do anything for an A" joke was great. The reading thing was not a problem for me and I really have no idea what is being gotten at with the 2movie 2character thing...

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Firefalcon

-The movie still made Domestic: $402,111,870 and Worldwide: $833,229,011
-The movie still made Domestic: $402,111,870 and Worldwide: $833,229,011
-The movie still made Domestic: $402,111,870 and Worldwide: $833,229,011
-The movie still made Domestic: $402,111,870 and Worldwide: $833,229,011
-The movie still made Domestic: $402,111,870 and Worldwide: $833,229,011
-The movie still made Domestic: $402,111,870 and Worldwide: $833,229,011

Personally, I have nothing against Bay; and I thought the "Hey, Professor, I'd do anything for an A" joke was great. The reading thing was not a problem for me and I really have no idea what is being gotten at with the 2movie 2character thing...

I'm happy to see how people got inflamed so quickly with this thread that i was expecting to die after 3 posts.I downloaded a good DVDrip and after watching the movie again in fast foward i remembered why i stormed out of the theater when the end credits started.Independence Day (1996) is a masterpiece compare to this movie.But again this is my opinion and i stick to it.
As for the one actor 2 character thing ,i'm talking about Glenn Morshower who plays "Colonel Sharp" who dies in the beginning of the first movie and come back in ROTF as "General Morshower".

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

As for the one actor 2 character thing ,i'm talking about Glenn Morshower who plays "Colonel Sharp" who dies in the beginning of the first movie and come back in ROTF as "General Morshower".

Not sure why anyone would care about that. The BBC is hellbent on recycling actors within one TV series for multitudes of parts, Doctor Who being a prime example.

Even John Rys-Davies was approached to play a dwarf in The Hobbit after playing Gimli in LotR. He said no, BTW.

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Wishful Thinking

Not sure why anyone would care about that. The BBC is hellbent on recycling actors within one TV series for multitudes of parts, Doctor Who being a prime example.

Even John Rys-Davies was approached to play a dwarf in The Hobbit after playing Gimli in LotR. He said no, BTW.

An actor can play many roles in the same movie that's not the problem.Frank Morgan played 5 roles in "The Wizard of Oz (1939)".But in the case of Glenn Morshower,he plays a role very similar as the one who dies in the first movie.I'm surprised they didnt kill him too in ROTF,to bring him back as another officer in the third movie.

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

An actor can play many roles in the same movie that's not the problem.Frank Morgan played 5 roles in "The Wizard of Oz (1939)".But in the case of Glenn Morshower,he plays a role very similar as the one who dies in the first movie.I'm surprised they didnt kill him too in ROTF,to bring him back as another officer in the third movie.

Did you not see my comment that they wanted to bring JRD back as adwarf? Would that have made The Hobbit less "epic" had he said "yes"?

[Firefalcon]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

I'm happy to see how people got inflamed so quickly with this thread that i was expecting to die after 3 posts.I downloaded a good DVDrip and after watching the movie again in fast foward i remembered why i stormed out of the theater when the end credits started.Independence Day (1996) is a masterpiece compare to this movie.But again this is my opinion and i stick to it.
As for the one actor 2 character thing ,i'm talking about Glenn Morshower who plays "Colonel Sharp" who dies in the beginning of the first movie and come back in ROTF as "General Morshower".

My thing is that if people want to flame, they should do it for the right reasons. Not liking a movie soley because of who the director was, is a lame reason to not like a movie at best. The potty humor about seeing dogs getting it on is understandable. I mean really "I didn't like that movie because so-and-so directed it" is obsurd. Now, "I didn't like the movie because they had too many sexually explicit jokes", I can dig.

Flaming just to flame calls out to me to issue a retort. Filing a valid complaint though, you will not hear a word from me.

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

An actor can play many roles in the same movie that's not the problem.Frank Morgan played 5 roles in "The Wizard of Oz (1939)".But in the case of Glenn Morshower,he plays a role very similar as the one who dies in the first movie.I'm surprised they didnt kill him too in ROTF,to bring him back as another officer in the third movie.

technically, we didn't see him die in the first movie though

[Firefalcon]

Originally Posted by Aesir

technically, we didn't see him die in the first movie though

Although this is true, they did say "There where no survivors" in the pentagon scene. It is safe to extrapolate the results.

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Firefalcon

Although this is true, they did say "There where no survivors" in the pentagon scene. It is safe to extrapolate the results.

but Lennox etc all survived, maybe the general led another team the other way (ps I do believe he did die, but this is all still possible lol)

[Firefalcon]

Originally Posted by Aesir

but Lennox etc all survived, maybe the general led another team the other way (ps I do believe he did die, but this is all still possible lol)

Just like the number of licks needed to get to the center of a tootsie pop...the world may never know(I think Blackout would have made a point of cooking him for cutting the lines)

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Wishful Thinking

Did you not see my comment that they wanted to bring JRD back as adwarf? Would that have made The Hobbit less "epic" had he said "yes"?

Honestly if he would have said yes,i wouldnt have had any issues because he wouldnt look the same with the heavy make-up.And if he's a good actor we would see the character and not the actor in it.

As for Glenn Morshower ,it's kind of a major fail ,when you see him and say:"Didnt he die in the first one?"

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Firefalcon

My thing is that if people want to flame, they should do it for the right reasons. Not liking a movie soley because of who the director was, is a lame reason to not like a movie at best. The potty humor about seeing dogs getting it on is understandable. I mean really "I didn't like that movie because so-and-so directed it" is obsurd. Now, "I didn't like the movie because they had too many sexually explicit jokes", I can dig.

Flaming just to flame calls out to me to issue a retort. Filing a valid complaint though, you will not hear a word from me.

The director is not the only reason why the movie shouldnt be epic or good.But the only Bay movie that should have been was "Pearl Harbour",but he totally missed the boat on that one.

[Grimlock99]

Let's make a few details very clear.

I dont hate ROTF because of Michael Bay!I liked most of the first movie.saw it twice in theater and twice on DVD.And after that stopped counting how many times i watched the scenes "Blackout vs Qatar","The arrival of the Autobots" and "Prime vs Bonecrusher",that are extremely well made.

I dont hate ROTF because it's not geeonie enough!The poor story and editing were enough to make us forget that detail.And anyway ,we couldnt expect more G1 content after the first movie had set the pace for the trilogy.

I dont hate ROTF because Rotten Tomatoes and the rest of the critics hates it.I do enjoy some good bad movies.I personally think that "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" was underated.I enjoy watching movie like "Independence Day","The Chronicles of Riddick " and even "Armageddon" once in a while.

So why do i hate ROTF?Because it's bad.It's start not too bad,and then it die and we already loose interest in most characters that we barely see again.The battle scenes are overcrowded and the editing is horrible and we barely know what's going on.Prime is as serious and violent as "Leonidas" in "300" while the rest of the characters are goofing around with bad jokes!The fact that the movie made as much money is a mystery and a tragedy.Some seem to be happy that the franchise doing well,but with the poor content of this movie ,expect a very hard crash after the third one.I hate Michael Bay and the studios ,for releasing an half-a... movie.With all the money involved, postponing the release wouldnt have been a bad decision.They were lucky to make money with this,and now they think that people will swallow everything they serve.
If you liked the movie it's fine ,but dont tell me it's good because of the box-office numbers.

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

So why do i hate ROTF?Because it's bad.

Fair enough, but does that unqualify the movie as "an epic", the point of your topic? I don't think so.

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Wishful Thinking

Fair enough, but does that unqualify the movie as "an epic", the point of your topic? I don't think so.

Lets say it's laughable.The Decepticons invade the world and make an address to the planet and people barely react!A few people scream from the explosions and falling debris,but no one care about giant robots on buildings,streets, bridges and tv.And after a few minutes it never happened,except for Sam's parent who are kidnapped but we dont care either.

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

Lets say it's laughable.The Decepticons invade the world and make an address to the planet and people barely react!A few people scream from the explosions and falling debris,but no one care about giant robots on buildings,streets, bridges and tv.And after a few minutes it never happened,except for Sam's parent who are kidnapped but we dont care either.

It may be a laughable epic, but the movie is still considered an epic. The term epic really isn't an "opinion-based" adjective as it's based on hard, qualative descriptors already mentioned once in this thread.

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Wishful Thinking

It may be a laughable epic, but the movie is still considered an epic. The term epic really isn't an "opinion-based" adjective as it's based on hard, qualative descriptors already mentioned once in this thread.

Well for me "The Core" was a better epic movie than ROTF,and that movie totally sucked.

[Wishful Thinking]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

Well for me "The Core" was a better epic movie than ROTF,and that movie totally sucked.

Never saw it.

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Wishful Thinking

Never saw it.

It's like blending "Armageddon" and "Journey to the Center of the Earth" together.

[Firefalcon]

I thought "The Core" rocked. Granted, the science in the movie was LOLWTF totally wrong, but hey...'suspension of disbelief' was there. As far as dooms day movies go, that one had the advantage of at least being origional. Interplanetary bodies and alien invasions(*cough* transformer *cough*) have been milked dry...

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Firefalcon

Interplanetary bodies and alien invasions(*cough* transformer *cough*) have been milked dry...

And it shows in ROTF ,because except for Sam's parents ,nobody else react to the giant aliens.

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

And it shows in ROTF ,because except for Sam's parents ,nobody else react to the giant aliens.

yeah, the military guys during the fights, and the college kids running out of the school screaming were just having normal days

[Firefalcon]

The rest of the world where told that the 'con transmission was the result of a hack. Hence the reason the world did not flip. Also, the movie did not focus on global events; so we really have no way of knowing the full impact of the initial 'con invasion. I am sure(if the writers are smart about it) we will see more on this in TF3.

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Aesir

yeah, the military guys during the fights, and the college kids running out of the school screaming were just having normal days

Watch again ,you'll see that the college kids and people around the world were running from the explosions and falling debris and not from the actual robots.

Originally Posted by Firefalcon

The rest of the world where told that the 'con transmission was the result of a hack. Hence the reason the world did not flip. Also, the movie did not focus on global events; so we really have no way of knowing the full impact of the initial 'con invasion. I am sure(if the writers are smart about it) we will see more on this in TF3.

Again people were reacting to the destruction and not to the big bots on top of buildings and in the streets.

[Firefalcon]

The last time I was in New York, Atlanta, LasVegas or Jacksonville FL...the one thing I did not do was look to the top of the buildings. Bots(or guys in blue and red suits) could have been swinging from roof top to roof top and I was totally oblivious...

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Firefalcon

The last time I was in New York, Atlanta, LasVegas or Jacksonville FL...the one thing I did not do was look to the top of the buildings. Bots(or guys in blue and red suits) could have been swinging from roof top to roof top and I was totally oblivious...

So the Decepticon operation "Lets reveal ourselves to the humans" as failed?

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

So the Decepticon operation "Lets reveal ourselves to the humans" as failed?

consider this then, if you lived in a town and you saw on tv a strange looking robot talking, would you believe it to be true or a hoax?

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Aesir

consider this then, if you lived in a town and you saw on tv a strange looking robot talking, would you believe it to be true or a hoax?

I wasnt talking about the TV broadcast.When the Decepticons landed,the only ones who saw the robots were Sam's parents and the military.CNN and the rest of the population only saw explosions.

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

I wasnt talking about the TV broadcast.When the Decepticons landed,the only ones who saw the robots were Sam's parents and the military.CNN and the rest of the population only saw explosions.

but the broadcast was part of it too, my point is that the plan to expose Transformers on Earth may have partly succeeded, as some people will believe they are real, but most people are inherently sceptical so they wont believe it

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Aesir

but the broadcast was part of it too, my point is that the plan to expose Transformers on Earth may have partly succeeded, as some people will believe they are real, but most people are inherently sceptical so they wont believe it

Succeeded indeed,we dont hear anything about it for the rest of the movie.

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

Succeeded indeed,we dont hear anything about it for the rest of the movie.

did you see the second half of the movie?

they had all the authorities of Earth searching for sam because they were told to by said robot

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Aesir

did you see the second half of the movie?

they had all the authorities of Earth searching for sam because they were told to by said robot

Yeah that worked great. lol

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

Yeah that worked great. lol

but it still happened, that's the point

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Aesir

but it still happened, that's the point

Yes and 5 min later no body cared anymore.At least in "Armageddon" you had the feeling that the rest of the world was still living in fear.

[Aesir]

Originally Posted by Grimlock99

Yes and 5 min later no body cared anymore.At least in "Armageddon" you had the feeling that the rest of the world was still living in fear.

which one was armageddon again? the one with Bruce Willis?

[Grimlock99]

Originally Posted by Aesir

which one was armageddon again? the one with Bruce Willis?

Yes